G-SYNC 101: G-SYNC Fullscreen vs. Borderless/Windowed


DWM Woes?

Requested by swarna in the Blur Busters Forums, is a scenario that investigates the effects of the DWM (Desktop Windows Manager, “Aero” in Windows 7) on G-SYNC in borderless and windowed mode.

Unlike exclusive fullscreen, which bypasses the DWM composition entirely, borderless and windowed mode rely on the DWM, which, due to its framebuffer, adds 1 frame of delay. The DWM can’t be disabled in Windows 10, and uses it’s own form of triple buffer V-SYNC (very similar to Fast Sync) that overrides all standard syncing solutions when borderless or windowed mode are in use.

To make sure this was the case, all combinations of NVCP and in-game V-SYNC, as well as the Windows 10 “Game Mode” and “fullscreen optimization” settings were tested to see if DWM could be disabled, and tearing could be introduced; it could not be, so Game Mode and fullscreen optimizations were disabled once again, and NVCP V-SYNC was re-enabled across scenarios for consistency’s sake.

The question is, does DWM add 1 frame of delay with G-SYNC using borderless and windowed mode?

Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings

Overwatch, shows that, no, with G-SYNC enabled, both borderless and windowed mode do not add 1 frame of delay over exclusive fullscreen. Standalone “V-SYNC,” however, does show the expected 1 frame of delay.

CS:GO was also tested for corroboration, and ought to have the same results, as DWM behavior is at the OS-level and should remain unchanged, regardless of the game…

Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings

Sure enough, again, G-SYNC sees no added delay, and V-SYNC sees the expected 1 frame of delay.

Further testing may be required, but it appears on the latest public build of Windows 10 with out-of-the-box settings (with or without “Game Mode”), G-SYNC somehow bypasses the 1 frame of delay added by the DWM. That said, I still don’t suggest borderless or windowed mode over exclusive fullscreen due to the 3-5% decrease in performance, but if these findings are true across configurations, it great news for games that only offer a borderless windowed option, or for multitaskers with secondary monitors.



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Apache3m
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Apache3m

Naturally, with MFG enabled, Reflex limits my FPS from 240 to 224; however, if I disable V-Sync in the Nvidia Control Panel, I hit 240 FPS with MFG on.

Apache3m
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Apache3m

Hi – I have a setup with a 9800X3D and an RTX 5080, along with an MSI 321URX QD-OLED monitor.
Could you tell me what I should do when gaming with NVIDIA’s Frame Gen (MFG) enabled? Should I stick with the G-Sync + V-Sync + Reflex settings, or do you recommend something else?

pangtali
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pangtali

For Low Latency Mode what if an FPS limiter is already in use, reflex is not available, but fps always exceed refresh rate?

tenki
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tenki

Hello,

Thank you for your amazing guide, I am always following it very carefully and it was for me an immense help.

I have some questions though because I think that my setup is not 100% optimized

I have a desktop MSI QD-Oled 360hz 1440p, but I switch the refresh rate to 120hz because I usually do not play games more than 120fps , and my desktop gaming have a 5080 GPU and 9859X3D Ryzen.

For my questions:

– In NVCP I have like your guide and I have have v-synch set to default, gsync on only for full screen and LLM off. In game I have for sure V-sync on. I have no idea if it is better to cap the frame rate to 116fps with NVCP or RTSS because sometimes in game I have frequently shutterings when I cap, no matter what game is. Should also be cause because LLM Is off?

– Based on the question before, I don’t understand when it is the case to enable the limiter in game. Should it be a slider or more like a selectable option ( 60fps, 120fps, uncapped etc). I usually have every time uncapped, but is there a certain rule for it?

– sometimes in games I go over 120fps and oscillates every time , but not reaching 120fps or less. Though when I cap, I even go down ( not stable) , how is that possible? Should I not cap

– OLED on 240hz is flickering so much with G-sync, this is another reason why I put 120hz, but if you suggest to put 240hz and that’s it let me know.

Thank you so much in advance and sorry for my long comment!

asari7k
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asari7k

im still a bit confused. so i want to play dbfz at the lowest latency possible bc its a fighting game capped at 60 fps and im playing on a 240hz monitor. so whats better g sync + v sync (in ncvp) on with low latency mode on ultra or just disable g sync and v sync but low latency stil on ultra . bc ive seen some videos on youtube that tested capped 60fps games at higher refres rate and it gives lower latency so when i use g sync is automaticly caps it at 60hz so doesnt that just completly ruin the g sync vs v sync setup ?

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