G-SYNC 101: G-SYNC Fullscreen vs. Borderless/Windowed


DWM Woes?

Requested by swarna in the Blur Busters Forums, is a scenario that investigates the effects of the DWM (Desktop Windows Manager, “Aero” in Windows 7) on G-SYNC in borderless and windowed mode.

Unlike exclusive fullscreen, which bypasses the DWM composition entirely, borderless and windowed mode rely on the DWM, which, due to its framebuffer, adds 1 frame of delay. The DWM can’t be disabled in Windows 10, and uses it’s own form of triple buffer V-SYNC (very similar to Fast Sync) that overrides all standard syncing solutions when borderless or windowed mode are in use.

To make sure this was the case, all combinations of NVCP and in-game V-SYNC, as well as the Windows 10 “Game Mode” and “fullscreen optimization” settings were tested to see if DWM could be disabled, and tearing could be introduced; it could not be, so Game Mode and fullscreen optimizations were disabled once again, and NVCP V-SYNC was re-enabled across scenarios for consistency’s sake.

The question is, does DWM add 1 frame of delay with G-SYNC using borderless and windowed mode?

Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings

Overwatch, shows that, no, with G-SYNC enabled, both borderless and windowed mode do not add 1 frame of delay over exclusive fullscreen. Standalone “V-SYNC,” however, does show the expected 1 frame of delay.

CS:GO was also tested for corroboration, and ought to have the same results, as DWM behavior is at the OS-level and should remain unchanged, regardless of the game…

Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings

Sure enough, again, G-SYNC sees no added delay, and V-SYNC sees the expected 1 frame of delay.

Further testing may be required, but it appears on the latest public build of Windows 10 with out-of-the-box settings (with or without “Game Mode”), G-SYNC somehow bypasses the 1 frame of delay added by the DWM. That said, I still don’t suggest borderless or windowed mode over exclusive fullscreen due to the 3-5% decrease in performance, but if these findings are true across configurations, it great news for games that only offer a borderless windowed option, or for multitaskers with secondary monitors.



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tenki
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tenki

Hello,

Thank you for your amazing guide, I am always following it very carefully and it was for me an immense help.

I have some questions though because I think that my setup is not 100% optimized

I have a desktop MSI QD-Oled 360hz 1440p, but I switch the refresh rate to 120hz because I usually do not play games more than 120fps , and my desktop gaming have a 5080 GPU and 9859X3D Ryzen.

For my questions:

– In NVCP I have like your guide and I have have v-synch set to default, gsync on only for full screen and LLM off. In game I have for sure V-sync on. I have no idea if it is better to cap the frame rate to 116fps with NVCP or RTSS because sometimes in game I have frequently shutterings when I cap, no matter what game is. Should also be cause because LLM Is off?

– Based on the question before, I don’t understand when it is the case to enable the limiter in game. Should it be a slider or more like a selectable option ( 60fps, 120fps, uncapped etc). I usually have every time uncapped, but is there a certain rule for it?

– sometimes in games I go over 120fps and oscillates every time , but not reaching 120fps or less. Though when I cap, I even go down ( not stable) , how is that possible? Should I not cap

– OLED on 240hz is flickering so much with G-sync, this is another reason why I put 120hz, but if you suggest to put 240hz and that’s it let me know.

Thank you so much in advance and sorry for my long comment!

asari7k
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asari7k

im still a bit confused. so i want to play dbfz at the lowest latency possible bc its a fighting game capped at 60 fps and im playing on a 240hz monitor. so whats better g sync + v sync (in ncvp) on with low latency mode on ultra or just disable g sync and v sync but low latency stil on ultra . bc ive seen some videos on youtube that tested capped 60fps games at higher refres rate and it gives lower latency so when i use g sync is automaticly caps it at 60hz so doesnt that just completly ruin the g sync vs v sync setup ?

user2422
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user2422

Thanks for the comprehensive guide.

I have some questions on two topics:

1. If i have a 320Hz monitor with G-Sync enabled and play let’s say Apex Legends capped at 240 fps and can’t notice any obvious screen tearing, is there any reason to still use V-Sync in this scenario? From my understanding the latency in this scenario should be roughly the same whether V-Sync is enabled or disabled, so could it potentially have any other up or downsides? Also regarding this question, the increase in smoothness that is often shown with the optimal G-Sync configuration, is that due to the VRR or is it caused by the combination of G-Sync + V-Sync?

2. There seems to be a lot of situational use for some of these settings, so with all your knowledge and own personal experience over all those years now, what are you personally using when it comes to settings like LLM, Reflex, Windows VRR toggle, in-game vs driver V-Sync, what framerate limiters to use and what value to cap to?

Iriodus
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Iriodus

So, 2 separate but related questions:

1) For games that use the Vulkan renderer, like Doom Eternal, should we be using borderless fullscreen or exclusive fullscreen?

2) Not sure if you’d know the answer to this one, but since Proton on Linux uses a DirectX-to-Vulkan translation layer, should people use the recommendation for question 1 above, or say if a game is DirectX11 before taking into account the DX-to-Vulkan translation do use Fullscreen/Exclusive Fullscreen as if we were on Windows.

For reference, I’ve replicated the optimal G-Sync setup on my Linux machine, and since switching I’ve just been doing “If it’s originally DX11 or lower? Fullscreen/Exclusive Fullscreen. If it’s originally DX12? I use borderless fullscreen”

ksydew
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ksydew

Sorry for posting so much but I have one last question, I just bought the acer Nitro XV275U F5BIIPPRX, it’s a free sync premium Pro monitor but isn’t g sync certified. It should still work with g sync no problem right? I have it turned on same usual settings, g sync indicator is working and on in the top right corner, but just want to make sure it’s fine? It seems like it is but I’m not the expert

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