G-SYNC 101: G-SYNC Ceiling vs. FPS Limit


How Low Should You Go?

Blur Busters was the world’s first site to test G-SYNC in Preview of NVIDIA G-SYNC, Part #1 (Fluidity) using an ASUS VG248QE pre-installed with a G-SYNC upgrade kit. At the time, the consensus was limiting the fps from 135 to 138 at 144Hz was enough to avoid V-SYNC-level input lag.

However, much has changed since the first G-SYNC upgrade kit was released; the Minimum Refresh Range wasn’t in place, the V-SYNC toggle had yet to be exposed, G-SYNC did not support borderless or windowed mode, and there was even a small performance penalty on the Kepler architecture at the time (Maxwell and later corrected this).

My own testing in my Blur Busters Forum thread found that just 2 FPS below the refresh rate was enough to avoid the G-SYNC ceiling. However, now armed with improved testing methods and equipment, is this still the case, and does the required FPS limit change depending on the refresh rate?

Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings
Blur Buster's G-SYNC 101: Input Latency & Optimal Settings

As the results show, just 2 FPS below the refresh rate is indeed still enough to avoid the G-SYNC ceiling and prevent V-SYNC-level input lag, and this number does not change, regardless of the maximum refresh rate in use.

To leave no stone unturned, an “at” FPS, -1 FPS, -2 FPS, and finally -10 FPS limit was tested to prove that even far below -2 FPS, no real improvements can be had. In fact, limiting the FPS lower than needed can actually slightly increase input lag, especially at lower refresh rates, since frametimes quickly become higher, and thus frame delivery becomes slower due to the decrease in sustained framerates.

As for the “perfect” number, going by the results, and taking into consideration variances in accuracy from FPS limiter to FPS limiter, along with differences in performance from system to system, a -3 FPS limit is the safest bet, and is my new recommendation. A lower FPS limit, at least for the purpose of avoiding the G-SYNC ceiling, will simply rob frames.



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oliverds
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oliverds

Hello Jorimt,

i am a bit confused about the combination of G-Sync and V-Sync.

I am running the following system:

Intel 8700K @ 5 GHz / Gigabyte Aorus Extreme 2080ti Waterforce / 32 GB RAM DDR4-3000 / LG 34UC89B with native G-Sync.

I usually do simracing, espeacially with Assetto Corsa, which is a very CPU-intense simulation (only uses one core), so that the cpu can often reach 94% occupancy when having 50-70 cars on the track.

To reduce the cpuz occupancy, i use a framelimit of 70, in some situations the fps can go down to 55, but this does not bother me.

In the NVCP, i set G-Sync on and use the max. aviable refresh-rate of the monitor. Beforce beeing confronted with several videos, i was using G-Sync together with Fastsync activated in the NVCP, but now i think that this combination isn’t really the best.

What is the best combination of a low input-lag and acceptable cpu-occupancy? G-Sync with activated V-Sync and my 70 FPS-cap? This is really confusing.

With best regards and thanks in advance,

Oliver

TheBeker1
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TheBeker1

I’m having trouble with micro stutter, present in all games, i followed the guide, and even tried to clean install drivers and windows, but the stutter is still present, even in the NVIDIA Pendulum demo, the stutter happens inconsistenly, but and of course, there’s a framerate fluctuation that happens with it, i have a 1080Ti and a 9600k, 16gb of ram, and a 1tb SSD.

One of my friends has the same problem, and i’ve seen that is not uncommon on forums, can i blame faulty hardware. or is there something more i can try?

gzmm
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gzmm

Hey, i have a 144hz gsync compatible monitor, with 48~144hz range.
If i put the monitor at 120hz, the gsync still work? This will make a 60 fps game looks smooth?

andro92
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andro92

First of all thank you for your amazing work.

Now if i understand it all correctly, the optimum usage is this:

Nvcp vsync on, gsync on, frame cap -3/141fps (140 for me thanks to my ocd 🙂 i dont wanna bother with additional app rtss. The latest nvcp frame cap should be on par right ? So set and forget situation from nvcp.

Now my confusion comes from ullm. I have a good cpu. 9900k overclocked to fixed 4.9ghz at all times. Im using windows high perf power plan as well. Gpu is 2080s at 1440p. 32 gig 3733mhz cl16 ram, m2 ssd, clean windows 10 pro without bloatware (again thanks to my ocd). Also i have custom water loop so temps are all ok.

If i set ullm on or ultra all times(set & forget) will i see any negative effect ?

Sample1: game runs at 40-80 fps, gpu bound
Sample2: game runs at set fps cap 140, no gpu bound
Sample3: game runs at 60fps internal limit(mortal kombat 11, ds3, sekiro) no gpu bound.
Sample4: no sync, fixed refresh rate, gpu bound vs no gpu bound.
Note: cpu usage is always low, mostly below 30 but i understand system hiccups can happen even with the cleanest systems.

And what is the difference between on/ultra/ingame reflex ?

Effect of nvcp power management mode ? Should i leave it at default or choose maximum performance. Its ok if it consumes more power.

I’m fan of set&forget type of usage and i dont care if ullm ultra adds another fps limit below my fps limit for some specific game. But i dont want extra input lag or some bug.

My second question:

I was competitive Overwatch player, now i play Mortal Kombat 11 competitively. Motion blur, backlight strobing etc not as important in this but input lag is important. Even 1 frame matters in this game to take your turn. This game designed around 60 fps and it does not strain my gpu however it fluctates between 58-60. What settings are best for this specific game ? Can ullm on or ultra add more input lag if i set&forget ?

And the last topic sorry for wall of text:

Now gsync monitors are 30-144, gsync compatibles are 48-144. My question is how seamless is this this “lfc” or hz doubling/tripling. If my game runs between 40-60 fps is it better to just disable gsync for more fluid experience. What happens at the exact moment when the lfc kicks in ? What is the difference between adaptive sync and gsync module in this topic ?

blabliblu
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blabliblu

Thank you for this article.

The main reason I wanted to enable G-Sync (Freesync, in my case) was because playing AC: Valhalla on 4K on my RTX 3080 with V-Sync on causes heavy stuttering when the game drops below 60 FPS, while without V-Sync there’s massive tearing action going on (every 2-3 seconds, it’s horrible.)

Now, I might be missing something here, and I understand what’s written in the article, but if I enable G-Sync, and enable V-Sync on top of it in the Nvidia Control Panel, I still suffer from the same exact stuttering when the game drops below 60 FPS. And indeed, disabling V-Sync stopped the game from stuttering and fixed the issue, with the occasional and very rare tearing compared to a non-V-Sync experience, which is a trade-off I can live with.

So, what gives? Should I just keep V-Sync off, then? Or maybe set my V-Sync to “Fast” in the Nvidia Control Panel?

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